Here’s what’s happening in Seattle’s East Precinct on this last Wednesday in July, 2008:
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Sooo…. Where did your meeting and interface with the E.P crime prevention committee get you? Same old same old. Right? Maybe a couple of months relief, maybe??!!?? Nothing has changed in decades! Face it, unless this becomes a class action law suit, that need to be filed against the city, nothing will be done! Why is an area of the city that is it that a minority neighborhood(our CD) not be afforded the same crime priority/ equal standing, as, say Windermere or Wallingford , or Ballard or Lauralhurst, or, or …..
Wake up CD!!!!!! SUE!!!!!
seriously, go away.
where do you live anyway? why did you not attend our meeting last night and bless us with your insight and perspective?
let me guess. you’re kinda like that Ken Schram guy–always pissed off, always able to find the negative in something, but never really able to think deep and find the solution to a problem. Guess what, we don’t need a Schrammie here.
Does having a crime prevention meeting suddenly make crime stop? No, of course not. But it’s a fantastic way to meet your neighbors and gain a sense of community. I am at an age where I no longer go to school, don’t attend a church, and don’t have any kids. Meeting people is hard. When I go to a meeting or event and see my neighbors (like at the Democratic caucus), I think it’s wonderful. That way, when there’s some person in my neighbor’s yard and it clearly ISN’T my neighbor, I am going to call the police. They do the same for me.
I look at these meetings and events like I looked at cancer support groups when I was diagnosed at 22. No one wants that kind of news, like no one wants drugs, burglars, or homicides in their backyards. But getting to know people with similar experiences helped me to deal with a scary situation. If I sat in my home in the CD, listening for gun fire or watching King 5, I’d hate it here. Instead, through this forum and hopefully more events, I’ve developed a sense of pride for my little community. All of this because my fear was replaced by “shared information.”
So the meeting didn’t wave a magic wand and cure crime. Support groups don’t cure cancer. My point is that both breed hope and generate ideas on what to do to make a situation more livable. In the 2.5 years I have lived in the CD, I have already seen enormous civic progress. We can’t always wait for our governments to make the right choices or take the first steps for us.
I’d do some research into those statements before getting all riled up and talking about suing. SPD’s sector and district boundaries are determined by call volume. Go look at SPD’s website and take a look at the sector boundaries. A large portion of the E Precinct’s Charlie Sector (which encompasses a good portion of the CD) is HUGE…meaning that per square footage, mileage, what have you, there really aren’t as many calls that come out in that area as others in comparison with other smaller sectors even within the E Precinct (look at Edward Sector for example, some of those districts are tiny, but have the same, if not more calls for service per day). That does not take the unreported crimes that go on too – look at Little Saigon, or Chinatown, or Yesler Terrace. Those areas are hotbeds for narcotics, vice activity, property crimes and violence as well, but a lot of those crimes go unreported due to language barriers, a distrust of police from the 1st generation immigrant populations that have horrible experiences with their original governments, fear or retaliation, and an overall sense of “not wanting to get involved”. Doesn’t mean that they don’t happen, those areas just don’t have organized neighborhoods that have the luxury of time, affluence, and resources to make a webpage and chat about it online.
There was a recent Seattle PI piece that demonstrated that more hoity-toity neighbors such as Wallingford and Magnolia feel that they don’t get the attention they deserve for property crimes and what not just like you do – a lot of that is perception, and even more of it I would suspect is because there aren’t enough officers out on the streets to adequately address the issues.
I’ve been a pretty silent reader of this excellent webpage for a while now, and a lot of what you guys are doing is good – neighbors banding together online and talking about what is happening in the neighborhoods (especially surrounding the rash of break-ins). When neighbors get involved, everyone gets better educated, and people start calling. This creates a ripple effect; police can track crime trends more effectively because they have hard numbers (the 911 calls) to go off of, and use them as a justification for more officers or attention in the area.
Let’s face reality, there are a concentration of repeat and career criminals that LIVE in the CD. Some of the career dirtbags in the CD are GENERATIONAL criminals; their parents were criminally involved, and their parents’ parents were criminally involved. Is that the city’s fault? Is it any wonder that the crime stats are higher than, say (to use your example) Wallingford? How many police officers are assigned to the East Precinct’s Charlie & Georgee sectors (the sectors that encompass the CD) vs. the number of officers assigned to Wallingford? Do some digging, I will almost garuantee there are more officers assigned to the CD that Wallingford). Some of the areas in the CD are home base for the criminals that commit the crimes in the CD and other areas within the E Precinct.
Bottom line, YOU are responsible for YOUR neighborhood, not just where your property line ends. This “containment zone” nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Gentrification is not always evil, and sometimes development can do wonders for increasing the economic viability of a neighborhood. However, the police can’t CHANGE criminally-oriented people. They can lock them up and hopefully the Municipal Court and King County Superior Court will actually prosecute them successfully to keep them off the streets and out of your back yard. That’s not systemic change, that’s only crime suppression. The police are only one part of the solution to changing a neighborhood’s image, the rest is up to YOU.
I love it Elvis, “CD, love it or leave it”. Lets see in a year if you have the same perspective, if your still living here.
eyes – The containment zone and suing stuff has gotten pretty old. We’ve all heard it about 200 times by now, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of buy-in to your strategy.
Some of your other comments have been much more constructive, so please try to focus more on those other, non-repetitive thoughts.
i’ve lived here for two years, eyes, so i guess i outlasted your karnack-like predictive skills.
Seriously, something constructive would be appreciated.
9:37AM – Seneca & Summit Ave – Assault
As someone who rides the #2 bus a lot, I really hope that the “Bus driver was notified but refused to do anything” part of that report isn’t as bad as it sounds.
I don’t buy in to the containment zone postulate either. That said, I don’t think the best response is to tell “eyes” to shut up and go away. I was astounded by the rudeness of the suggestion (very Schramm-like, in my opinion). More importantly, the suggestion seems counter-productive. How can you get an accurate picutre of the “buy-in” to the suggestion if anyone who might agree with it is simply told to go away? Think back to earlier discussions of gentrification, or the cop shop. Did all those expressing non-majority views become converts, or did they just go away? For my money, “eyes open” and ALS have given us a more illuminating responses (which we may never have received were it not for “eyes'” constant refrain).
Chainsaw: congrats on the mermaid thing. We need more flickrins, btw.
OK No need repeating. Just be aware that when you have a suit on, and your in a meeting (read city staff meeting), and they do not know where you live and you hear references to the CD made…. I do not make this stuff up and a crudmugeon I am not.
No, I will not reveal my sources it could affect my employment situation.
Enough said.
PS I still like the CD love it or leave it response, no hard feelings.
Thanks, krgl!
Yes, we need to hear all points of view that do not cross the line into hateful communication. (That’ what the “report abuse” link is for, unless Scott sees it first). Who said “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”? Voltaire, maybe? And someone else wrote about exposing ideas to the light of day so that the truth can be determined. To me, that’s part of what this forum is for. We may or may not reach consensus, but we are encouraged to think, ask questions, learn what other people’s opionions are based on, and maybe act.
i’m not really in the mood for apologizing, but am sorry if I offended somebody’s sensibilities.
I am direct and don’t apologize for it. He’s spoken his piece, quiet frequently actually, and after being debated and told to come up with evidence, of which he has produced nothing, he just continues to talk about “containment zones” and “same old, same old, this place will never change.”
I am certainly a strong proponent of open forums and new, positive (and sometimes negative)ideas; however, sometimes I think this is a town short on doers and long on complainers. (i’ll regret saying this)
Sooo….
Where did your meeting and interface with the E.P crime prevention committee get you? Same old same old. Right?
Maybe a couple of months relief, maybe??!!?? Nothing has changed in decades!
Face it, unless this becomes a class action law suit, that need to be filed against the city, nothing will be done! Why is an area of the city that is it that a minority neighborhood(our CD) not be afforded the same crime priority/ equal standing, as, say Windermere or Wallingford , or Ballard or Lauralhurst, or, or …..
Wake up CD!!!!!!
SUE!!!!!
seriously, go away.
where do you live anyway? why did you not attend our meeting last night and bless us with your insight and perspective?
let me guess. you’re kinda like that Ken Schram guy–always pissed off, always able to find the negative in something, but never really able to think deep and find the solution to a problem. Guess what, we don’t need a Schrammie here.
Does having a crime prevention meeting suddenly make crime stop? No, of course not. But it’s a fantastic way to meet your neighbors and gain a sense of community. I am at an age where I no longer go to school, don’t attend a church, and don’t have any kids. Meeting people is hard. When I go to a meeting or event and see my neighbors (like at the Democratic caucus), I think it’s wonderful. That way, when there’s some person in my neighbor’s yard and it clearly ISN’T my neighbor, I am going to call the police. They do the same for me.
I look at these meetings and events like I looked at cancer support groups when I was diagnosed at 22. No one wants that kind of news, like no one wants drugs, burglars, or homicides in their backyards. But getting to know people with similar experiences helped me to deal with a scary situation. If I sat in my home in the CD, listening for gun fire or watching King 5, I’d hate it here. Instead, through this forum and hopefully more events, I’ve developed a sense of pride for my little community. All of this because my fear was replaced by “shared information.”
So the meeting didn’t wave a magic wand and cure crime. Support groups don’t cure cancer. My point is that both breed hope and generate ideas on what to do to make a situation more livable. In the 2.5 years I have lived in the CD, I have already seen enormous civic progress. We can’t always wait for our governments to make the right choices or take the first steps for us.
I’d do some research into those statements before getting all riled up and talking about suing. SPD’s sector and district boundaries are determined by call volume. Go look at SPD’s website and take a look at the sector boundaries. A large portion of the E Precinct’s Charlie Sector (which encompasses a good portion of the CD) is HUGE…meaning that per square footage, mileage, what have you, there really aren’t as many calls that come out in that area as others in comparison with other smaller sectors even within the E Precinct (look at Edward Sector for example, some of those districts are tiny, but have the same, if not more calls for service per day). That does not take the unreported crimes that go on too – look at Little Saigon, or Chinatown, or Yesler Terrace. Those areas are hotbeds for narcotics, vice activity, property crimes and violence as well, but a lot of those crimes go unreported due to language barriers, a distrust of police from the 1st generation immigrant populations that have horrible experiences with their original governments, fear or retaliation, and an overall sense of “not wanting to get involved”. Doesn’t mean that they don’t happen, those areas just don’t have organized neighborhoods that have the luxury of time, affluence, and resources to make a webpage and chat about it online.
There was a recent Seattle PI piece that demonstrated that more hoity-toity neighbors such as Wallingford and Magnolia feel that they don’t get the attention they deserve for property crimes and what not just like you do – a lot of that is perception, and even more of it I would suspect is because there aren’t enough officers out on the streets to adequately address the issues.
I’ve been a pretty silent reader of this excellent webpage for a while now, and a lot of what you guys are doing is good – neighbors banding together online and talking about what is happening in the neighborhoods (especially surrounding the rash of break-ins). When neighbors get involved, everyone gets better educated, and people start calling. This creates a ripple effect; police can track crime trends more effectively because they have hard numbers (the 911 calls) to go off of, and use them as a justification for more officers or attention in the area.
Let’s face reality, there are a concentration of repeat and career criminals that LIVE in the CD. Some of the career dirtbags in the CD are GENERATIONAL criminals; their parents were criminally involved, and their parents’ parents were criminally involved. Is that the city’s fault? Is it any wonder that the crime stats are higher than, say (to use your example) Wallingford? How many police officers are assigned to the East Precinct’s Charlie & Georgee sectors (the sectors that encompass the CD) vs. the number of officers assigned to Wallingford? Do some digging, I will almost garuantee there are more officers assigned to the CD that Wallingford). Some of the areas in the CD are home base for the criminals that commit the crimes in the CD and other areas within the E Precinct.
Bottom line, YOU are responsible for YOUR neighborhood, not just where your property line ends. This “containment zone” nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Gentrification is not always evil, and sometimes development can do wonders for increasing the economic viability of a neighborhood. However, the police can’t CHANGE criminally-oriented people. They can lock them up and hopefully the Municipal Court and King County Superior Court will actually prosecute them successfully to keep them off the streets and out of your back yard. That’s not systemic change, that’s only crime suppression. The police are only one part of the solution to changing a neighborhood’s image, the rest is up to YOU.
I love it Elvis, “CD, love it or leave it”.
Lets see in a year if you have the same perspective, if your still living here.
eyes – The containment zone and suing stuff has gotten pretty old. We’ve all heard it about 200 times by now, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of buy-in to your strategy.
Some of your other comments have been much more constructive, so please try to focus more on those other, non-repetitive thoughts.
i’ve lived here for two years, eyes, so i guess i outlasted your karnack-like predictive skills.
Seriously, something constructive would be appreciated.
9:37AM – Seneca & Summit Ave – Assault
As someone who rides the #2 bus a lot, I really hope that the “Bus driver was notified but refused to do anything” part of that report isn’t as bad as it sounds.
I don’t buy in to the containment zone postulate either. That said, I don’t think the best response is to tell “eyes” to shut up and go away. I was astounded by the rudeness of the suggestion (very Schramm-like, in my opinion). More importantly, the suggestion seems counter-productive. How can you get an accurate picutre of the “buy-in” to the suggestion if anyone who might agree with it is simply told to go away? Think back to earlier discussions of gentrification, or the cop shop. Did all those expressing non-majority views become converts, or did they just go away? For my money, “eyes open” and ALS have given us a more illuminating responses (which we may never have received were it not for “eyes'” constant refrain).
Chainsaw: congrats on the mermaid thing. We need more flickrins, btw.
OK No need repeating. Just be aware that when you have a suit on, and your in a meeting (read city staff meeting), and they do not know where you live and you hear references to the CD made….
I do not make this stuff up and a crudmugeon I am not.
No, I will not reveal my sources it could affect my employment situation.
Enough said.
PS I still like the CD love it or leave it response, no hard feelings.
Thanks, krgl!
Yes, we need to hear all points of view that do not cross the line into hateful communication. (That’ what the “report abuse” link is for, unless Scott sees it first). Who said “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”? Voltaire, maybe? And someone else wrote about exposing ideas to the light of day so that the truth can be determined. To me, that’s part of what this forum is for. We may or may not reach consensus, but we are encouraged to think, ask questions, learn what other people’s opionions are based on, and maybe act.
i’m not really in the mood for apologizing, but am sorry if I offended somebody’s sensibilities.
I am direct and don’t apologize for it. He’s spoken his piece, quiet frequently actually, and after being debated and told to come up with evidence, of which he has produced nothing, he just continues to talk about “containment zones” and “same old, same old, this place will never change.”
I am certainly a strong proponent of open forums and new, positive (and sometimes negative)ideas; however, sometimes I think this is a town short on doers and long on complainers. (i’ll regret saying this)