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Jackson Place group challenges legality of planned DESC facility
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"two staff will follow the person while they're in the neighborhood."
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Comment by
concerned neighbor
January 28, 2011
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Way to screw a neighborhood over..
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Going to be fun pointing out to visitors of my neighborhood the psychotics being escorted around the block by orderlies. Will they be wearing straight jackets?
Put this place somewhere by the raildroad tracks or industrial area downtown, not where people live and where kids play. |
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Mike
January 28, 2011
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"We are not using police hold"
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"Hobson denies that the facility will hold people, and the plan to use police hold does not appear in the DESC's response to the RFP.
"We are not using police hold," he said. "We will try to convince the person to not leave first, but if the person wants to leave, we will try to convinve them to let us drive them to their next destination." Really??? According to the Mental Illness and Drug Dependency (MIDD) Strategy Crisis Diversion Facility (CDF) Final Status Report June 25, 2009, it states that "individuals who are delivered to the facility by police may be held up to 48 hours on a Police Hold." http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/MHSA/MIDDPlan/MIDDC "Some of the clients will have been arrested before their referral, but their stay at the facility will be voluntary and people will be free to leave at will, said Hobson." Really??? According to the MIDD CDF Final Status Report June 25, 2009, a form called Agreement to Divert Crisis Diversion Facility for Evaluation & Services, will be used by the arresting officer in order to divert the suspect to the Crisis Diversion Facility. The document states: "I (suspect's name) understand that Officer (arresting officer's name) has made a probable cause determination that I have committed the of ( ). I understand that Officer (arresting officer's name) intends to take me to the King County Jail and book me for investigation of the crime above. I understand that I could be held for up to 48 hours on this investigation before I appear in Court to heard on this matter. I also understand that Officer (arresting officer's name) has... read more e discretion to divert this matter to the King County Crisis Diversion Facility for a period of up to 48 hours based on Officer (arresting officer's name) belief that I suffer from some form of mental illness and/or chemical dependency. By signing this document I am agreeing to be diverted by Officer (arresting officer's name) to the Crisis Diversion Facility so that I can be evaluated for metal illness and/or chemical dependency and receive services rather than be booked into jail. I understand that I can remain at the Crisis Diversion Facility for up to 48 hours and that I choose not to engage in the services offered at the Facility I can be taken by the police to jail on the charge for which I was arrested." Someone please tell me how holding an individual for a period of up to 48 hours is the same as their stay at the facility will be voluntary and people will be free to leave at will? |
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January 28, 2011
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RE: "We are not using police hold"
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Of course ther are going to lie to you, they want to dump it anywhere they think has the least resistance. A good neighbors agreement is worthless. Unless you have a lawyer on retainer to enforce it it is a social placebo to get in the door. Once there in you can not get them out without a long expensive legal battle. No good neighbors agreement, no appropriate place for them in a family neighborhood, and no we are not dumb enough to believe their lies.
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January 28, 2011
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RE: "We are not using police hold"
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They also said that the ratio is four staff for each inmate. That is a jail. If the imates require four each they are dangerous. Liar liar, pants on fire.
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January 28, 2011
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RE: "We are not using police hold"
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Eyes,
I did not include this in the story, but Seattle Times got the 4-to-1 ratio backwards. It will be four clients per one staff. |
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Tom Fucoloro
January 28, 2011
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Stop dumping......
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As much as i support this on paper, i have real concerns about how "low-key" this will be in reality. I know that the work that DESC does is vital, but I also think they are "part of the problem" (along with UGM and the Frye Hotel) in Pioneer Square. I know cities are loud, and that's part of why i live in the neighborhood, but I'm tired of the obnoxious behavior that is tolerated in the area southeast of the courthouse, and don't know why all of these social services have to be concentrated in south Seattle in general, and Pioneer Square in particular. It made sense forty years ago, when downtown had a high concentration of SRO's, particulalry in that area, but since then the problem has dispersed all over the city, and particulalry in the first ring suburbs.
If this truly is a low-key place, and needs to be close to Harborview and Swedish, why not locate it on First Hill? Build it on part of Yesler Terrace, which is scheduled to be demolished anyway. And, while we're at it, move most of the social services to places like White Center, Kent, Upper Aurora, etc, so they can be convenient to the places where the poverty is these days, |
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January 29, 2011
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RE: Stop dumping......
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So you want it in Yesler Terrace? Golly, thanks. I live here. So do many families with children, but of course we can't afford to hire lawyers --- I do agree with other posters that South - and East - of downtown neighborhoods have been given much more than our fair share of King County's treatment related housing, half-way houses and social service providers.
When the Yesler Terrace Community Council opposed the expansion of Pioneer Cooperative Work Release (I think they wanted 160 units on site? It was a long time ago, 15 years maybe?) we found that slightly less than half of publicly funded treatment housing/work release beds in the State of Washington were within a mile of Broadway and Yesler -- don't know if that's still the case -- I do know that there are more nearby now than there were then, but maybe the rest of the City, County and State have added even more. I hope so. Our neighborhoods -- and Yesler Terrace is a neighborhood, with real people living here --gave at the office. Enough. |
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January 29, 2011
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RE: Stop dumping......
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Yesler's being demolished and reseveloped/yuppified. Perfect time to do something that is basically across the street from Harborview, since they said easy access to Harborview or Swedish is a must (otherwise, I'd say downtown Kent beckons...) Since it will essentially be a brand new neighborhood once the construction is over, with what will amount to a new population, it won't be that much of a disruption.
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January 30, 2011
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RE: Stop dumping......
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I'm pretty sure this wouldn't mesh with the Seattle Housing Authority's grand vision of the New Urban Neighborhood/City-on-the-Hill—
This is one of those needed facilities that nobody wants built near where they live. Give it to somebody else!. But First Hill already has their share of nobody-wants-it uses. The methadone clinic that serves clients from as far away as Snohomish County. Lots of subsidized housing. Two large work release places. Housing for juvenile offenders with no home to go to. Clinics that serve the poor. . Two large shelters for the homeless. I'm not understanding why, since you folks are saying your neighborhoods (Jackson Place, Pioneer Square) have more than their fair share of nobody-wants-it, (and they do) you would suggest locating more of it in a neighborhood that is also housing far more than their share of facilities that serve not the neighborhood, but the region. And no, we shouldn't build it in White Center or Skyway, either. Medina, maybe? or closer to home, Magnolia, Admiral, or Laurelhurst, which is really close to University Hospital --- |
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January 30, 2011
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RE: Stop dumping......
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Wouldn't part of the fun come from tweaking the nose of the yesler terrace redevelopment? :-)
Seriously - and again - i suggested Yesler Terrace based exclusively on the proximity to Harborview and because it would be the best worst choice (since the neighborhood is being demolished and reconstructed) And yes, while it's nice to imagine this facility in Magnolia, etc (although if Mary Gates were still alive, she might actually advocate for something like this in Laurelhurst) let's focus on the possible (which precludes my suggestion of demolishing Husky Stadium in favor of the huskies playing at Qwest Field and building this facility on that site.) It needs to be somewhere near the two big hospitals (or the UW hospital) without messing with estabished, and already overburdened neighborhoods. So where? |
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January 30, 2011
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RE: Stop dumping......
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Xina
Don't be silly, moving it north of the ship canal? It is not the appropriate place for it! You are used to all these kinds of facilities down there. Do not worry about our life style up here, you need to keep busy going to anti- crime forums and hearings. What would you know about a good brew pub or Thai resturant. Just keep busy doing what you always have been doing. Tootles! |
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January 30, 2011
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Thanks for the follow up, Tom. Glad we got to hear about the meeting being held on Monday! I hope there's another update on what happens there.
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LizWas
January 29, 2011
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Another low income, barely making it community gets a DESC project they don't want...
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We had our "open forum discussion" which was a total joke on Monday night with DESC. Check it out and read the comments below it...
http://westseattleblog.com/2011/06/passionate-meeting-but-de We should get together and help each other fight the injustice of where they place these. Look at the salaries in the comments thread under the WSBlog article and the list of where their Board of Directors live--all places where DESC would never put a facility like this. Good luck with your fight for social justice. Hope we can join forces and insist they put these in Laurelhurst and Mercer Island where their Board members reside. |
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If this center goes in, you can bet your buttons that as a single female, I won't be walking to school from my home any longer. What a way to further disconnect our neighborhood from downtown, the hill, etc. UNHAPPY!!!!!!!!