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Your Chance to Speak Out on 23rd & Union Project
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Interesting
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I'm gonna try to swing by the meeting while I'm downtown.
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June 15, 2008
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New building at 23 and Union
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I sent a letter in support of the building to the Hearing Examiner, and I plan to be at the hearing tomorrow.
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June 15, 2008
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Support this by attending - send word far and wide...
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Whats the single fastest way to discourage the drug dealing, prostitution and crime on and around 23rd and Union? Show up and support this rezone! Why have the druggies departed the Deanos block? Was it the neighbors or the police (NO) see Saturdays Times article. It was the new developmnt made possible when the city rezoned Madison to 65ft. Run dont walk to support this people....
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Ron
June 15, 2008
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I support the project but....
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I must disagree about the reason for the changes on Madison Street!
Madison Street has been zoned NC3-65 since the early 90s. Deano's lot was rezoned to be all NC3-65 in 2001 but the drug troubles persisted. The Safeway building was built about 3 years ago. When the Safeway opened the dealers retreated one block (to Denny) but were back on Madison within the week. The residents above the Safeway were some of the "eyes on the street" and there were customers in and out of the grocery store, but the dealing etc persisted. In fact it seemed that some of the people on the street supported their lifestyles by shoplifting from Safeway! Problems only went away (and did so immediately) when Club Chocolate City closed! So (I'm afraid) you may not see an immediate improvement on the streets when Mueller's property is developed. I (personally, as a somewhat distant neighbor) think it's an attractive and positive development, but I don't think it will be a panacea. BTW: what was the Saturday Times article (Seattle Times?). Could not find it. |
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June 15, 2008
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Was closing the club the entirety of it, though? I personally saw what appeared to be an obvious deal happen after the club shut down but before Deano's grocery was gone--a sketchy crowd hung around outside the grocery for ten minutes or so, SUV pulled up and parked, guy gets out, crowd followed him into the grocery, then slowly dispersed. Seems to me that the grocery's closing was the final nail.
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June 16, 2008
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To RobC
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Maybe not 100% of it but surely 95%+
Agreed. I'd expected ALL the crowd to move down to the grocery but they pretty much all left overnight. And the grocery closed a few days later. But that just confirms my point, that it was the closing of the businesses (bar, grocery) and not the development across the street that made the difference. The bar closed after it surrendered its liquor license. The grocery was moving anyway. Both businesses (and the street dealing) remained active despite the new apartments and grocery store kitty-corner from them, and despite the zoning desired to develop Deano's site having been around since ~ 2002. |
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Andrew Taylor
June 16, 2008
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Imposing no conditions on development, taking little interest in the overall design, and not ensuring the best design and facade possible for the neighborhood is not in the best interest of the neighborhood. These actions only ensure under achieving development. Why would we not advocate for the best.
Despite all the tall building growth (as zoned) around 23rd and Jackson, I note that udesirable activities continue in that area. At 21st and Union the closing of a tavern, Pals, which had become a problem spot was very helpful, but the opening of a convenience store which attracted a crowd interested in high potency beer and wine and single container sales spelled more udesireable activities. In between we had a shuttered storefront and peace. No one thing is a pancea. Willingness of businesses and residents to report illegal activities will do more to enhance a neighborhood than tall buildings. Some development is good, but desperate development will lead only to speculators putting up disposable buildings or worse, horrible new buildings that we will have to endure for decades and the destruction of older buildings with beautiful facades. |
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June 16, 2008
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