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Tent City Moving onto 25th and King on Friday Feb 5

The current Nicklesville camp at behind New Hope Baptist Church

We received a notice today that tent city is moving into the field behind the Mount Baker Baptist Church on Friday and will stay there for up to 90 days. Even though this is across from our home, this is the first we've heard of it. 

According to the notice, there will be a community meeting on Thursday 2/4 at 6:30 at the church to discuss the encampment. There is enormous drug traffic at that corner and we are harassed daily and offered drugs regularly.  While I am hopeful that tent city will not increase this activity, I am concerned that it may.  If you have concerns, please attend the meeting at the church tomorrow night at 6:30.  While this is apparently a done deal, hopefully neighbors can help relay the importance of close monitoring of all activity.

On a side note, the church has a rental home on the property too. It is currently vacant, but previous tenants have sold drugs from the front porch and kept the area in total dis-repair with trash bags and empty bottles thrown all over the place. My husband complained numerous times to the church and they never seemed to care what went on on their property.

(editors note: This is Nicklesville, which is currently encamped at the New Hope Baptist Church in the 100 block of 21st Ave. We've added a photo of the current camp.)

great that is all the area needs
Thank you Mt. Baker Baptist Church! I understand the need to help the homeless, but perhaps it shouldn't be done in an area that is already so knee deep in its own problems. Literally. I walk past the lot and the church every morning on the way to catch the bus and there is never a morning when those thugs leave their garbage - teriyaki and fried chicken from what I can tell and numerous cans and bottles of cheap booze. What does the church do to try and remedy it - bring in the homeless without first trying to clean up the area. In addition, to those folks that live in the blue-green house next to the empty lots - SHAME ON YOU ALL - b/c I am sure you are particpating in the mess there. The apts across the street - you residents are not help the situation either.

-j
Comment by jay coleman
7 months ago
( +7 votes )
Let's keep our eyes open
I hate to assume that the negative drug and similar criminal activity will increase due to this, but I do. I hope as neighbors and as a community we can all come together to keep our eyes and ears open to the traffic in that area.
Comment by dc
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
RE: Lets keep our eyes open
I have posted before with my observations and comments about earlier homeless encampments, and beleive that my experiences are more common. Originally my neighbors and I had all paniced when we were notified of the planned move of a homeless camp into our neighborhood. The plan called for them to take the drug and prostitute infested lot across from the church at the corner of E Cherry St and on 22nd ( behing the Arco on 23rd, across from the Garfield Community Center ). The illegal activity had always been bad, and we just knew that these folks would only make patrolling our area more difficult. Well, after now having lived through three ( Yes 3 ) of these encampments at this same location, I have to report that all of my neighbors agree that these folks are clean, law abidding, and helped discourage illegal activity while here. Tell you the truth, we were better off with them being visible in our streets than a few of us home owners attempting to do the same thing.

Bottom line, I think you will find these camps have very stringebt guidelines for admission, police themselves very well, and are respectful of your property rights. I think you will find ( as we did ), that having these extra eyes watching out for illegal activity, that it will become safer and cleaner in your area.

Best of luck, and please remember to say hello to these new neighbors, as they will try very hard to be good neighbors.

Thanks
Comment by Linda
7 months ago
( +15 votes )
My guess...
...would be that there would be LESS problems with Tent City in the area. That's a lot of extra people and eyes--dealers don't like eyes on them--and a fairly high profile encampment.

How has the experience been while they camp has been on 21st?

I'll be curious to hear how they're stay goes at Mount Baker Baptist.
Comment by Justin
7 months ago
( +14 votes )
Look on line to hear what other's have to say about their experiences with Tent City
My husband cleans up the constant influx of detritus nearly everyday. We find chicken bones, beer bottles, and trash daily and have had to kick a prostitute off our steps too many times to count. Great influence for our 3 year old. We've called the police so many times that I think they may know us by name.

Here's what I found from folks who've had tent city in their area- http://www.yelp.com/biz/nickelsville-seattle
Comment by medstudentmom
7 months ago
( +12 votes )
RE: Look on line to hear what other's have to say about their experiences with Tent City
Nothing like a group of hysterical, yuppy Wallingford moms posting anonymously online to give you a real sense of a place...
Comment by Yup
7 months ago
( +24 votes )
RE: Look on line to hear what other's have to say about their experiences with Tent City
"Nothing like a group of hysterical, yuppy Wallingford moms posting anonymously online to give you a real sense of a place..."
Yup- your statement is ignorant. Why do you hate intelligence and those who have economic means? Perhaps if you tried to better yourself you would not be so bitter and make a jackass out your self with these statements.
Comment by eyes
7 months ago
( +5 votes )
RE: Look on line to hear what other's have to say about their experiences with Tent City
"Nothing like a group of hysterical, yuppy Wallingford moms posting anonymously online to give you a real sense of a place... "

What and ignorant ststement.
Comment by eyes
7 months ago
( +6 votes )
RE: Look on line to hear what other's have to say about their experiences with Tent City
Yes, apparently disliking hookers, crack heads and trash on your doorstop is something only white people in Wallingford dislike.
Comment by Daved
6 months ago
( +5 votes )
Let's give them a chance
I live a couple of blocks from the Nicklesville on 21st, and I have not observed any increase in littering, loitering, drug activity, or other criminal behavior due to its presence. I walk my dog all over the neighborhood daily, including in the pocket park a block north of the encampment, so I think I'm qualified to offer an opinion.
Tent City has occupied a vacant lot on Cherry and 22nd several times, and as far as I could tell, was an asset to the neighborhood. The residents must comply with strict rules (no panhandling, for one). In fact, I would see them out on litter-collection details in surrounding blocks.
It's a source of pride that the CD can host shelters without the NIMBY hysteria that inevitably breaks out when the homeless seek refuge on the east side.
Comment by East Alder
7 months ago
( +19 votes )
Nickelsville Port of Seattle Encampment Experience
Sally Bagshaw posted "The people who are living in Nickelsville keep their area and neighborhood clean. They are workers, and in my experience contribute much more than they take. Together, they are safe. Alone, they will be vulnerable on the streets." For her full post, click on her blog at
http://sallybagshaw.com/?tag=nickelsville
Comment by PeggySioux
7 months ago
( +20 votes )
I'm in the "give 'em a chance camp"
I live near this site also. This is the first I've heard about it moving in, & I've found that community outreach usually helps these situations, more than hurting.

This IS NOT Tent City, but Nickelsville. I know that Tent City polices it's inhabitants. I believe based on the calm (after the initial storm that brewed when they moved in) @ 21st & Yesler, it's a safe bet that they do. I say, give them a chance to show us that they can be good neighbors.
Comment by Dori
7 months ago
( +15 votes )
Friendly Nickelsville
While I don't have direct experience with Tent City, I have interacted with some of the Nickelsvillians. While they were camped out at New Hope, several members helped out with the Clean Greens Market. They covered the stand when the regular person was sick, and generally helped out. Whenever I stopped by they were friendly, helpful and good conversationalists.

While perhaps not all the residents are helpful and friendly, they certainly aren't all threatening. How could the Tent City at Mt.Baker Baptist help the local community?
Comment by Jen B
7 months ago
( +15 votes )
My inclination
is to not be NIMBY about this (and there aren't many houses closer to this location than mine). Yes it may inconvenience and bother me, but my lot is so much better than theirs, it's hard to complain.
Comment by Arch
7 months ago
( +10 votes )
Earlier 21st Street Homeless Encampments
We found the homeless encampments on 22nd and East Cherry, to be well managed, very clean ( kept the local area clear of debri, and left the lot better than when the arrived ), as well as polite, lawabidding folks. We were pleased with these folks as our neighbors, and proved all of us wrong in our earlier fears. These folks seemed to discourage illegal activity, and we saw a lot less of the previous drugs ad prostitution. We appreciated these folks as respectful, neighbors that just happen to be law abbiding but hit with hard times
Comment by David
7 months ago
( +10 votes )
Typically no problems.
Generally speaking, Tent Cities run a tight ship.

The homeless who cause problems are usually the ones who have been kicked out of shelters or managed encampments like these, not the ones who stay in them.
Comment by Lack Thereof
7 months ago
( +15 votes )
Why worry?
Why worry about a SHARE shelter, their standards are so high! Afterall they screen each other for sex offenders and the like. What could go wrong?

http://www.myballard.com/2009/09/14/sex-offender-removed-fro
Comment by Daved
7 months ago
( --1 votes )
Solutions
Shuffle, shuffle, shuffle....that's all that is going on with our social problems. Try to move the litterbugs, prostitutes, druggies, homeless, etc. out of our neighborhood and over to.....well, no one cares where (as long as its not in our neighborhood).

Can we actually do something to solve these problems?
Comment by Righteous Me
7 months ago
( --2 votes )
RE: Solutions
I agree, keep them in your neighborhood.
Comment by Daved
7 months ago
( +10 votes )
could be you or one of your family members
When the camp was near Cherry and 23rd there were few problems. Seriously, how about a little compassion. It's only a few weeks, and all of those people are members of a family somewhere - one day it could easily be your relative someday in a situation like that.

Who is my neighbor? Luke 10:29
Comment by Steve Jones
7 months ago
( +8 votes )
RE: could be you or one of your family members
I'd take my family in.
Comment by Daved
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
i hope so, daved
you're pretty smart. but what if your family member had a chemical problem - either dependancey or imbalance, or maybe someday in the future your family situation wouldnt allow for you to take someone in. you think you've got stuff figured out, but your arrogance is annoying.
Comment by daved down
7 months ago
( +9 votes )
RE: i hope so, daved
Oh, so you mean if the person on the street was responsible for their position because they drank too much, refused to take their meds and burned all their bridges?
Comment by Daved
6 months ago
( 0 votes )
RE: i hope so, Daved
I admire Daved for offering to take in a family member down on their luck, or suffering from mental or dependancy issues, but not everyone has such a loving and obviously compassionate relative. Though these Tent city dwellers may not be Daved or my relatives, I hope we remember that they still deserve our patience and assistance. If we can allow them to live in a temporary encampment, where they have community, feel a little safer, and can hopefully find a way back into main stream society, then I support their efforts.

Have you ever been camping, and awaken cold, hungery, and needing a bath? Think of these homeless folks facing this every morning, possibly needing to look respectable to get or keep a job, and worried about just getting clean, warm, and staying safe enough to get through the day. Then on top of all these other issues they try to placate the tent city neighbors so they can feel safe, and hopefully not face eviction. These folks just need the compassion our wonderful CD neighbor Daved has shown towards his family members. Thanks Daved for showing the rest of us what works!
Comment by David
6 months ago
( +5 votes )
Thank God for Nickelsville
Anyone who will take the time to get acquainted with Nickelsville from the inside (and it won't take long, because many Nickelsville residents are very open-hearted and eager to talk about their experience) will agree that we all can learn a lot from the way this community operates. They are good neighbors, and we should be thankful for the positive influence they have on our community.
Comment by Steve Olsen
6 months ago
( 0 votes )
RE: Thank God for Nickelsville
Really? Publicola had a great series of articles last fall about how Ncklesville residents who refused to participate in political protests were kicked out of the camp.
Comment by Daved
6 months ago
( 0 votes )
SHARE forces members to protest
http://www.publicola.net/2009/10/15/share-clients-say-they-w

"A number of other homeless people who use SHARE’s shelters have written and called council members’ offices, charging that SHARE coerced them into participating in the protests, telling them, among other things, that they would not be welcome at SHARE’s city-funded shelters if they didn’t take part in the campouts. Several participants alleged that SHARE’s shelters emptied out during the protests, as clients were required to sleep on sidewalks outside council members’ homes if they wanted to use SHARE’s shelters in the future."

Wow, such compassion.
Comment by Daved
6 months ago
( 0 votes )
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