posted 01/23/10 10:28 AM | updated 01/23/10 10:28 AM
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3 of top 10 bus routes are in the CD

Seattle Transit Blog has assembled some interesting data on the Metro bus routes with the top ridership in the Spring of 2009, and it shows the Central District has 3 routes in the top 10:

  • Route 48 - in 1st place with 13,800 daily riders
  • Route 2 - 6th place with 8,000 daily riders
  • Route 3 - 8th place with 7,500 daily riders

Note that this is out of almost 100 bus routes across the entire county.

So to summarize: We've got more routes in the top 10 than any other neighborhood, but other than a stop in the middle of I-90 we're nowhere to be seen on the long-term plans for light rail. And of course some think it would be a transit travesty to give us the slightest bit of access to the First Hill streetcar.

I'll repeat my plea to our new mayor: can we please get a glimmer of hope that there's something in our transit future other than slow, standing-room-only buses?

Here's the full list of other CD routes, several of which also place highly:

  • Route 4 - 16th place with 5,900 daily riders
  • Route 14 - 24th place with 4,700 daily riders
  • Route 8 - 48th place with 3,200 daily riders
  • Route 27 - 79th place with 1,500 daily riders
Tags: Transit, Buses, Metro
re: 3 of top 10 bus routes are in the CD
I'm curious where the highest percentage of #2, #3 and #48 riders are based out of. In my experience riding the 48, most ridership is based in the U-District, while the #2 picks up its largest share of riders in Capitol Hill. That said I do think we need to push the city for more transit options. It's a shame that the light rail stops in CapHill and then bypasses a huge swath of the city on its way to the UW stadium. Why wasn't a 23rd and Madison stop ever considered? There's even available land there.

Regarding the street car, putting it on 12th will depress ridership. The street car was added to subsidize first hill for removing their light rail stop. We shouldn't be jockeying for other neighborhood's transit options. The 12ave couplet would also make 12th a far less bike friendly route, which is reason enough to put the train on Boren or Broadway.
Comment by dave
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
street car
I believe that the 12th Avenue option presents several important advantages that the others do not as it helps serve an area needing service and strengthens some connections that are currently need some attention, while linking a stop quite close to the original platform south of 12th and Madison. The #9 bus route might need to be rethought with either the 12th Avenue or the Broadway scenario.

The Boren route seems the least affective and most likely to disrupt other very useful routes while not adding service.
Comment by joanna
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
RE: re: 3 of top 10 bus routes are in the CD
The "bus" issue on 12th assumes SDOT and the City at large learned nothing from the SLUT. Plenty of places run streetcars and bikes in the same corridors - it's about street design. The modes are not inherently unable to share space.
Comment by JohnS
7 months ago
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RE: re: 3 of top 10 bus routes are in the CD
To the original point - 23rd & Madison doesn't really fit in with the Broadway stop design. You'd have to somehow backtrack from Broadway & John. Remember there are no stops between Broadway/John and Husky Stadium, and with the route they picked there were no obvious choices for stops anyway.

We'd do better to figure out better access to the stops that will get built - the #8, for instance, will stop right at Broadway/John, and is moving to 15-minute headways during the day next month. What if we could get those down to 10 minutes? What about a streetcar line on 23rd or MLK that could connect to the 90/Rainier station once it's built? What about modernizing the electric trolley bus fleet to low-floor buses with better floor plans and more frequent headways? There's lots and lots of things we could do.
Comment by JohnS
7 months ago
( +5 votes )
RE: re: 3 of top 10 bus routes are in the CD
I can't speak of the others because I don't ride them regularly enough, but the #2 sure seems to have just as many riders coming from the CD as from Capitol Hill. It is often standing room only during rush hour before it reaches Broadway.
Comment by nicpottier
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
streetcar and light rail station
The city is analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of the streetcar route alternatives. I'll wait for that to be done to evaluate the best choice. But, as for the First Hill light rail station --- it would have had a pedestrian entrance at Madison and Boylston and it would have been a convenient point of access to LINK for not just the hospitals on First Hill, but also for Central Area residents and workers. That would have been our neighborhood's transit option just as much as the First Hill neighborhood to the west.
Comment by let's see
7 months ago
( +5 votes )
RE: streetcar and light rail station
It's interesting that the original location for the link light rail station is not discussed more in the current debates.
A Broadway solution seems to be closer to the original location. Boren too far for the CD folks. 12th too far for the First Hill gang. Either side has endless numbers, studies, and scenarios to back up their arguments sufficiently. And we'll rehash it, over and over for months to come. Neither side will budge but the lines have been drawn and the sabers keep rattling.

Wasn't the original location part of a larger, voter approved vision?
Comment by McMullet
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
ridership
Of course the ridership is high and increases as any bus nears certain destinations and decreases as it nears the other end of the route. That is why buses are routed to and from certain areas. For instance, many of the #48 riders are headed to the U-District, as are quite of few riders of other buses through the U-District and it is significant that the 48 ranks high among all including other routes to the U-District. Nonetheless, the #48 bus is usually reasonably full during the day between Madison and Mt. Baker. I know that in the morning around 8AM often standing room only is all that is available going north from Union toward the U-Distict. Yes, it clears out the closer to the Med. Center and U. Again coming this direction from the U around 5:30 PM, standing room only can last at least to Union. If you board in the U-District around 5 PM or so a seat is usually available for those already on board when it stops at the hospital, but the riders entering the bus there are not all so lucky.

There are many buses serving Capitol Hill to Downtown, right? Meaning the #2 route serves and important and different areas and yes, is often stuffed with passengers in the downtown area. I note that #49 and #43, #10, #14, #60, and #12 serve various areas of Capitol Hill.

I would argue that the #2 primarily serves the CD, Virginia Mason, Swedish, SU and Downtown. Again if you board on 3rd during the late afternoon(heading to the CD) or even sometime during off-peak hours standing room only is often the case until it stops at the library and those already on the bus can then find... read more
Comment by joanna
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
RE: ridership
In my experience there is also a significant number of school kids on the 48 - most noticeable from Garfield, but also likely from Washington Middle School and others. Do they get counted? (seems like a stupid question, but they all have metro cards, and they flood on in a way that seems to defy counting by the driver).
Comment by inthecd
7 months ago
( +10 votes )
RE: ridership
I am a semi-regular user of the #48 to get from Yesler Way down to 520 to catch the ST 545 to the eastside. I get on at Yesler Way one stop before the Garfield HS stop (going Northbound) and the bus is quite full with Garfield students coming from the south end that get off at the stop in front of the high school. It is then easier to find a seat once the students disembark, and fills back up steadily until reaching the 520 Flyer stop when many start to disembark again. I have also taken the #48 all the way to Crown Hill in the morning several times and there are actually a lot of people who get on the #48 again starting in the U-district going northboard, with many of those apparently being Roosevelt High School students who get off again when the bus approaches that area. So clearly the #48 serves many important nodes.

To be honest this is also one of the reasons I am personally not in favor of the idea of a road diet for 23rd Avenue because I think it would cause more troubles for the smooth operation of the #48 along with other vehicle traffic if there is only one through lane in both directions. 23rd Avenue is one of the fews arterials that actually connects our neighborhood well to others such as Rainier, and Beacon Hill to the south and Capitol Hill, Montlake, U-district and beyond to the north. I can understand why those who live ON 23rd would prefer a less busy street, but it has been an major arterial for a long time. I live directly on another arterial, Yesler Way, that is not quite as busy, but I knew I was buying on an arterial when I bought my home and I would... read more
Comment by YeslerWay
7 months ago
( +5 votes )
students
i hope they are counted as the Seattle School District has an agreement with metro and pays them some $s. All public schools have mass transit access, a few not so great. Don't forget Nova and SBOC at Meany.
Comment by joanna
7 months ago
( 0 votes )
RE: students
Yes, Metro doesn't discriminate by age :) Students get counted too.
Comment by JohnS
7 months ago
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