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Community group continues fight for MLK school
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So, if it is a community center we will be in a building not up to code, boy that makes me feel safe. If somebody keeps that building it should be brought up to current code.
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Mac
7 months ago
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RE: mlk
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I'm sure CCC@MLK would love to have the space up to current code too. I don't think anyone will be using the space if it is unsafe; having CCC@MLK in the space will allow them to go after grant revenue and matching dollars to upgrade the physical plant to current code.
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JohnS
7 months ago
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MLK CC--serving which communities?
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I am into the idea of adding a community center like this to the neighborhood, and feel using a vacant school building is a no-brainer (losing a community school does leave a gaping hole, and adding educational services like Coyote, etc. would really enrich the neighborhood).
Here is my issue/question: given that the neighborhood demographics for this part of the Central Area/Madison Valley have changed so much (the neighborhood could hardly be termed "high need"), will this location really serve those who most need it? A location like T.T. Minor seems like a better idea, with more low-income housing in the area (though I realize this isn't an option right now); I just worry that the money the District might loose on this transaction might be used to serve low-income families in a more direct and effective manner. Just an observation, I'm open to hearing other thoughts... |
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eduffell
7 months ago
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RE: MLK CC--serving which communities?
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I think Joanna has posted at length on other threads about TT Minor. The reality there is that the District would be insane to get rid of that facility, since the demographics very clearly indicate they're going to need it, and a lot sooner than they may think. So I understand your point, but I don't think Minor is the answer.
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JohnS
7 months ago
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RE: MLK CC--serving which communities?
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Seems like the old NOVA building on Cherry (near 23rd) would be a great space for this sort of thing - very centrally located (including public transit), and well-situated to intersect with other central district organizations, schools, and so on. Wasn't there some talk of something like this going in there?
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Comment by
inthecd
7 months ago
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RE: MLK CC--serving which communities?
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No matter what the demographics the school represents a significant loss of a public resource to the community. Certainly the community has as much need as Phinney Ridge. http://www.phinneycenter.org/
We must learn to care for all our communities. |
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joanna
7 months ago
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RE: serving which communities?
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this school is located in a pretty well to do area, most residents white upper & middle class, ..the district would be giving up 9+ million dollars(bush proposal for lease and sale after 40yrs), that money could go a long way to improve existing schools. This is an asset to the district, and as such they should not let it go to the cheapest least funded bidders, who will probably require grants year after year.
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Mac
7 months ago
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RE: RE: serving which communities?
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It's classic short-sighted accounting. You take a one-time benefit, which will disappear into the fiasco which is SPS budgeting, and next year the District will be broke. Again. Couldn't disagree more with the "take the profit" approach - completely unsustainable. And classically flawed accounting - intangibles have value, even if it's hard for bean-counters to assign same. Air, water, trees, community - all these things are valuable, even if we're not smart enough to assign dollar values to them.
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JohnS
7 months ago
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Thank you , JohnS
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You are correct.
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joanna
7 months ago
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Giving Up Dollars
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9 Million dollars over 40 years does not amount to much, in exchange for passing public property to private hands. That amounts to less than $250,000 a year at a time when the district has a $49 million deficit. They would be better off taking CCC@MLK's $2.4 million now rather than spreading it out over 40 years. And regardless, of the area's demographics a community center would be open to whoever wants to use it, not limited only to Bush kids who like to play soccer.
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BartO
7 months ago
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RE: Giving Up Dollars
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then they would be even better of taking Bush offer of 3.5 million for sale now. bush still would be required to allow community access.
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Mac
7 months ago
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RE: Giving Up Dollars
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yup. And there are ZERO guarantees that Bush's "community access" would be anything other than "well, when it's convenient for us and we don't want to use the space, I guess maybe we'll let you all have a go". Read the details!
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JohnS
7 months ago
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Hey Mac, I live in Madison Valley and I'm not white. neither are most of my neighbors.
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When Seattle Schools closed MLK Elementary in 2006, they saved the annual operating costs from having to run a smaller school that did not have the size and economies of scale of something like Madrona elementary. The residents of Madison Valley had to make the sacrifice of losing a neighborhood school so that the other schools can have more funds. If the Seattle School board chooses the Bush proposal, it's the residents of Madison Valley that will be sacrificed again for the greater good.
If you want to vote in favor of the community center proposal, here is a link on a web site sponsored by Mayor McGinn. http://www.ideasforseattle.org/forums/27772-welcome/suggesti If you want MLK Elementary to be turned into a soccer field, then do nothing since the Seattle School board is making no secret about their leanings toward the Bush proposal. |
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7 months ago
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RE: Hey Mac, I live in Madison Valley and I'm not white. neither are most of my neighbors.
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One of the reasons it closed was also that the white neighbors did not send their kids to mlk, this was stated in the closure report in 2006:" The elementary school students living in the current Martin Luther King reference area have much smaller proportions of non-white and free and reduced lunch students than the population currently attending Martin Luther King".
7 white students and 127 non-white at mlk. This did not reflect the demographics of the area. You should have supported the school when it was open by sending your kids their, not just using it for a meeting spot. |
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Mac
7 months ago
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MLK community center
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MLK School has been the only place the Greater Madison Valley community (used to be Harrison Community) has had to gather for neighborhood events. For decades it has served as a fe facto community center. There have been variety shows, Spaghetti dinners and pancake breakfasts there for decades, as well as community meetings, and organizing for clean-ups, greenbelt restoration and support for the public school. In a neighborhood carved up by Madison Street, MLK, 32nd East and a ridge of greenbelt, we neighbors have not easily met one another unless there was a place to do so. The MLK School was that place. It is the community's one and only site for any kind of community gathering. There are three private schools in the area. Borrowing some of their meeting rooms on occasion is nothing compared to the vibrant and inclusive events we have hosted traditionally in the MLK School. Bush School and perhaps the School Board seem to see Bush's acquisition of this corner property as inevitable. I believe that Bush School which has just finished a huge remodel and increased its space should leave this small parcel to the neighborhood. Do they really need it? It will become another fenced and locked space where neighborhood kids and families can look but not touch. The value to the neighborhoods which currently enjoy community centers in former schools- University District- Ravenna-Phinney Ridge- Delridge- prove the huge and lasting good a community center brings to neighborhoods. How ironic that the grass roots push for the MLK center comes from people who went to public school,...
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ve their kids in public schools and work in Seattle Public Schools. Selling this property to Bush to use as a playfield for their private school students is a real slap in the face. I hope the school board will take a long and careful look at the value to our community as well as their potential income from this sale. The value of a community center at MLK to our neighborhood is priceless.
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7 months ago
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Cut the baby in half
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why not lease part of the land to Bush to build 1 or 2 play fields that they get first use, and then public second in a lease agreement and do one of the other Comm Center approaches for the actual building.
or do a 5 year lease (with an option for 5 more) to the Comm Center and see how they do with their programs and grants and funding. If they dont come thru, then reconsider Bush's proposal. |
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Solomon
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