posted 11/30/09 11:22 AM | updated 11/30/09 11:03 AM
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Dear Mayor Elect: Please put the CD on mass transit plan

West, NE, North, and South: Where we need high-capacity transit service in the CD

Back in the campaign season, Mayor Elect Mike McGinn got a lot of kudos in the transit community for proposing an expansion of light rail to serve West Seattle and Ballard. It looks like a good plan to give better transit service to two neighborhoods that can be notoriously hard to get to.

But here in the Central District we've got a very transit-dependent population and a diminishing level of transit performance. In spite of some modest increases in service over the last several years, our bus routes are still standing room during large portions of the day. To see how bad it is, try and grab an eastbound bus on from 5th and James at 4pm on a weekday, and you'll find that there's a good chance that a packed-to-the-gills bus will pass you by before you find one with room to get on. And adding more buses won't really help - the #3, #4, and #48 routes are already running about as frequently as you can on our narrow roads and in traffic, as evidenced by the way the buses will bunch up together at peak times.

So I'd like to ask our new Mayor, who will be in the neighborhood for a Town Hall meeting tomorrow night, when will the Central District be put on a plan, any plan, to provide real mass transit to the neighborhood? (The I-90 station doesn't really count as it's on the very south edge of the 'hood and out of reach for most)

We've got four major destinations that could use higher capacity and more speedy service :

  • Between the neighborhood and downtown
  • To Capitol Hill, which we currently lack any transit connections to
  • To the U-district, which has very high transit ridership on the #48 route
  • To the Rainier Valley, connecting with light rail to the Airport and points south.

I'm not asking for a dedicated subway just for the Central District. But it would be good to show up with a stop or two on some long-range plan that builds a route to somewhere else. For example, there's currently no plan for light rail to the northeastern part of the city. A route there could run through the u-district, through the CD, and then connect downtown. Or even a 520 rail route, which came up during the fall debates, could head south after the bridge and make a stop or two in our neighborhood. We just need to make sure that being on the east side of downtown doesn't forever put us out of reach for real transit.

All I'm asking is that we be considered and that there's a glimmer of hope of having more than buses sometime in the next 75 years. Otherwise we're going to keep adding 200 unit apartment buildings and other infill development and suddenly find that there's no capacity for people to get around.

Exactly!
That's what I pointed out at the Neighborhood Plan update meeting at Miller Comm Ctr: that giant purple (green on map above) transit line on their map didn't even touch the CD, much less come into it. We're accepting higher density, so where's the mass transit?

I'll be at the wreath workshop tomorrow, so I hope someone who's attending the town hall will bring this up to Mayor-elect McGinn. TIA.
Comment by Jean
9 months ago
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Capitol Hill, which we currently lack any transit connections to
The #8 (the peoples' bus!) runs through the CD, crosses Broadway at John, and has recently acquired evening/weekend service to the CD (used to terminate at Group Health off-peak).

http://metro.kingcounty.gov/cftemplates/show_map.cfm?BUS_ROU

"Special Service Info
Metro has extended Route 8 through Rainier Valley to serve Link stations, added evening and weekend service along the full route, and improved peak period frequency to every 15 minutes. These additions are thanks in part to the passage of Transit Now and a financial partnership with the City of Seattle, as well as contributions from Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Group Health Cooperative, REI, Vulcan Inc, and a federal grant."


(It's OK, we'll cut you some slack, you're all tired after last night's siege. Many thanks for the great coverage).
Comment by Andrew Taylor
9 months ago
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12th/Broadway/Jackson Streetcar route would be a small start
But a good one...I'd love to see more streetcars on the major roads that seem to always be skipped when the plans are being laid! 15th is another possible streetcar route...just a few blocks from Broadway, yet hits restaurants, groceries and Volunteer Park on Cap Hill.
Comment by mistamatic
9 months ago
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the #8 and the#12,,more connection desirable
I am happy that the #8 has been added and probably need to get in the habit of trying to use it, a six block walk isn't too far. The Part of the #43 routed along John is also probably about the same distance from my house. Nonetheless, people tend to use routes within 2 to 4 blocks of their homes more often. The #8 was an important addition for the Madison Valley area. The CD and Capitol Hill could be better connected. If the street car runs along 12th that will help. I have often wondered why the #12 wasn't designed to continue along Union to 19th and then north on 19th to increase area of coverage. The last time I suggested it one of the people from Metro complained that it would be costly to string the extra wire. The extra wire would only be from Union to Madison, as wire already exists elsewhere. It is a short, rather specialized route, and ridership would definitely climb if it added that little bit of access. In fact there are a number of ways that the #12 could be designed to cover more area.
Comment by joanna
9 months ago
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Forgotten
The CD has always been a place to pull tax dollars out of, and to ignore once politicians get in office. The difference is, we now are gaining a community voice ( evidenced by our CD blog, and community meetings ), and are willing to push a bit harder and longer to be heard. People like Scott have awakened a voice of this community, and I like what I am hearing!
Comment by David
9 months ago
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Rapid Trolley Network?
Perhaps something along the lines of the:
Alaskan Way Viaduct Partnership Scenario Development Documentation
Portfolio 4.3: Rapid Trolley Network
http://globaltelematics.com/pitf/KingCountyMetroRapidTrolley
would be a good idea?

It would seem that for a relatively modest investment and some re-arrangement of the existing electric trolleybus routes plus more frequent service a vast improvement in transit service can be had.
Comment by Chris Stefan
9 months ago
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old ideas
only have to go back a few decades...

http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/10/15/seattle-street-car-
Comment by dave
9 months ago
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How quickly we forget
We had an opportunity to have a high speed transit system connecting neighborhoods within Seattle city limits - the monorail, which voters rejected. Light rail has always been a regional plan, all about moving people longer distances up and down the I-5 corridor and across the lake. True that all it does now is move people within Seattle, but that is not the long term plan. So McGinn's plan to add neighborhood connections to the light rail system is a strange step backward. Maybe it could work.
Comment by Dennis
9 months ago
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RE: How quickly we forget
Seattle voters accepted the monorail two times. The city finally killed it with a third vote.
Comment by eyes
9 months ago
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Why not more buses?
I've tried catching the #3 at 4pm and had exactly that experience!
Light Rail sounds great- but where would it go? If on a business corridor, try visualizing that corridor in 10 years after the businesses have dried up and been replaced with condos and dog biscuit shops.
Street Cars seem less invasive, but a little frivolous?
I'm not clear on why more buses couldn't work? Is this because it's difficult for buses to pass on our routes? What about giving the buses more green-light authority to keep them moving?
I'd agree that lobbying for the CD's interest is a good idea- just wonder where it's all heading?
Comment by Behrens
9 months ago
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CD Streetcar service
Madison Street was a streetcar line originally - I think it should have a line from downtown to at least 23rd, then maybe south to connect with the Jackson Street line?
Comment by Jim Mueller
9 months ago
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Streetcars and the like
1) McGinn promised he would be studying light rail to West Seattle and Ballard, and getting something on the ballot within 2 years. I'd say that's going to suck up a lot of his (and staff) time.
2) Chris Stefan is right - we could do a LOT more with our existing electric trolley network, run some new wire, improve headways, etc. No reason not to work on that NOW as Metro is the agency in charge, and while they are in the middle of a budget crunch, the cap ex costs for much of the higher-capacity trolley network could come from federal grants *IF* we get our act together and flesh out the plans.
3) The best short-term hope we have IMO is to get a route for the Sound Transit Streetcar line that will serve the western portion of the CD (i.e., run on 12th) and provide better connectivity to the light rail lines. Again, it doesn't serve the whole neighborhood nor does it connect to enough destinations, but it's progress.
4) The next thing to do is to get either Metro (RapidRide) or the City ("Seattle Streetcar Network") to look at a couple of the options mentioned in this thread - both a Madison line (which would serve the hospitals well!) to 23rd to Jackson, and then IMO another line on 23rd from Montlake to the Mt. Baker Transit Center. *NOW* we have north-south and east-west connectivity, and if we build those lines as streetcars Seattle pays to operate them and Metro can't cut the service hours like they can with bus service. Having said that, a RapidRide line that ran on 23rd up to Montlake and farther south (say maybe Columbia City?) would have great ridership and definitely... read more
Comment by John
8 months ago
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