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Murder suspect "a little obnoxious" in October stop

On Friday SeattleCrime.com found that the suspect in Officer Brenton's murder had no criminal history, but was ticketed in Seattle on October 15th for lack of insurance. It raised a big question of whether that stop could give any clues into the motive behind his deadly rampage.

Yesterday Seattle police released the full video from that stop, depicting all of the interaction between the two George sector officers and the suspect, just six blocks east of the spot where he would open fire on Officers Brenton and Sweeney just two weeks later.

The stop occurred just before 6pm on Thursday, October 15th, when two 2nd-watch officers saw the suspect fail to signal a turn on Jackson Street and driving in an odd way as if he was lost. Note that this was in his green Crown Victoria, possibly an old police cruiser, and not the suspect vehicle from the murder. They followed him down Lake Dell Drive towards the lake, and pulled him over once there was a spot on that narrow road.

The suspect was uncooperative and "a little obnoxious" to officers, refusing to give his phone number and giving backtalk to one officer when she asked him if he needed directions. But other than demonstrating he possibly had an issue with authority, there was nothing to indicate what he was allegedly planning for the coming weeks.

A condensed version of the video is included above (all sections without audio removed), and here is a transcript of the interaction:


Officer 1: "George 03 on Traffic"

Dispatch: "2 George 03"

Officer 1: "35th & E. Alder, east of, 007-YTU"

Dispatch: "35th & E. Alder, just east of, 007-YTU"

Officer 1 (to suspect): "Hey there"

Suspect: "Good afternoon"

Officer 1 (to suspect): "Hey Officer [name redacted], Seattle Police. Just to let you know, I'm video taping you.

Suspect: "OK"

Officer 1: "OK, gotta let you know that"

Dispatch: "3 George 03, your plate is clear and current on a green 2003 Ford 4-door"

Officer 1: "Hey - I stopped you tonight because you failed to use your turn signals back there on 31st and umm Yesler, or Jackson. And then I just saw you driving around, and I'm curious are you lost, or are you looking for something, or can I help you with some directions?"

Suspect: [unintelligble]

Officer 1: "I'd like your license and proof of insurance."

Suspect: "Heres the registration. My license is in my pocket."

Officer 1: "OK, go ahead and go for it please."

Officer 1: "Is this a good address, is 56th Ave South good, or the one on Monroe NE in [unintelligble]?"

Suspect: "On the registration."

Officer 1: "56th Ave South in Tukwila?"

Suspect: "Yeah"

Officer 1: "What's a good phone number for you?"

Suspect: "Why would you like my phone number?"

Officer 1: "Because I asked for it. Do you not want to give it?"

Suspect: "I don't think I want to give you my phone number."

Officer 1: "Alright."

Suspect: [Unintelligble]

Officer 1: "Not a problem."

Suspect: "Really?"

Officer 1: "Tell you what, just sit tight for one second"

Dispatch: "George 03 under control"

Officer 2: "Are you just doing a warning? Was he rude to you?"

Officer 1: "He was a little obnoxious"

Officer 2: "Yeah. He turned his head on the turn [?] So i don't know if he's going to be pleased [unintelligble]"

Officer 1: "He's got an expired insurance card."

Officer 2: "Does he have anything that's current?"

Officer 1: "I didn't ask. It just saw was September '09 he was giving me, he didn't want to give me his phone number, so like then 'I'm done'"

Officer 1: "So, let's just stick with the warning. He doesn't have to like it"

Officer 2: "I was just wondering if he kinda copped an attitude with you. I was trying to be nice, to give him directions, and he was like 'Can I help you?' And I was like 'Well, I just wanted to give you directions if you needed it'"

Officer 1: "Well, yeah, he was zipping around like he was lost, and then he's, so"

Officer 2: "And then I was like 'Do you know where you're going?', and he was like 'Do you know where you're going?' and I was like 'You know what..'.  Sorry. That wasn't my suggestion.

Officer 1: "Well you know what, it's typically..."

Officer 2: "I wasn't even coming back here to ..."

Officer 1: "I know"

Officer 2: "But I just thought it was weird, while I was trying to be pleasant, and of course your demeanor was completely nice to him. It was like. "

Officer 2: "Do you have his drivers license available so I can take a peak at it? Thanks"

Officer 1: "Alright sir, so I'm not citing you for not using your turn signal, just a warning for that, as well as you've got to make sure you've got your front license plate, OK? You've got an expired insurance card, so I am giving you a citation for that. Read the back. If you do have it, it's not the $555 fine, it's $25, and you can mail that in."

Suspect: "Have a good day sir"

Yesterday police commanders described this as "a model traffic stop" and one that they'll use as an example in training.

Wow really?
Im pretty sure this whole thing was over the ticket, you gotta be blind not to see that. He was pulled over for nothing, why ask for phone number? Officer obviously felt something else was going on. Didn't watch the video but I bet he was being followed around for a while prior to the stop, police couldn't find any other reason to pull him over so they waited for something dumb like no signal witch probably isn't even true (haven't seen video) then with the blink of an eye your a half a grand out of pocket when you shouldn't even have been pulled over. $550 dollar ticket on a thousand dollar car, shame.
Comment by Wow really?
November 11, 2009
Pulled over for "nothing"?
No front plate: Officer cut him a break and didn't ticket him.
Illegal turn: Officer cut him a break and didn't ticket him (which would have impacted his insurance rate.)
Expired insurance: Officer gave him instruction on how to avoid the penalty by mailing proof on insurance to the court.

Sounds to me like the officer did him a number of favors.

Crikey, even in the murder car the guy had a headlight out. He was driving around just begging to be pulled over! No plate, illegal turns, driving around in the other car with 1 headlight out. Give me a break.
Comment by gm
November 11, 2009
uh
"a little obnoxious" is a cop asking for your phone number during a traffic stop.
Comment by godtomsatan@gmail.com
November 11, 2009
phone # request is actually to help the driver
They ask for a phone number because Seattle Municipal Court has a call reminder program. It's an attempt to NOT have to issue warrants for people who fail, often repeatedly, to show up for court. They get a reminder call the day before, and the day of the hearing. You'd be surprised how many moms, wives, etc. say, "Oh my God, he/she is still asleep! Where do we park? We're on our way right now!" Many in the court system have multiple matters with multiple jurisdictions and get their hearing dates mixed up. Then they get warrants, get booked, and yell "But I showed up for my Driving with License Suspended hearing last week!" Response: "Last week's hearing was for when you drove without a license in Lake Forest Park, the hearing you missed was for when you drove without a license in Seattle." Thus, to save the city the cost of booking warrants, and to give people every chance to appear, SPD asks for a phone # which is then entered in to MCIS, the muni court computer, for reminder calls. This is particularly helpful since many, many people say their address is the same as the one on their ID, but their hearing notices come back as "undeliverable" from the post office, because they actually have moved 20 times since getting their ID. Again, they then get a phone call, since folks frequently don't pay attention to the hearing notice on the ticket, and don't get mail where they say they do.
Comment by gm
November 11, 2009
the guy above me, your statement has no relation to this.
he asked for phone number before anything else even happened, why does he have to be reminded of a court date? can we wait untill he gets a ticket first? and i laugh at these rookies, look at the female officer with the flash light in the middle of the day...lol really?

and when asked for the phone number the suspect said why do you need my phone number? the cop couldnt tell him why? instead he replies with another question, you dont want to give me your phone number? (intimidation)
Comment by wow
November 11, 2009
Yeah, sure it is for my benefit...
Cops get pissed any time you don't give them something you are not legally required to and decide you are uncooperative and a bad apple.

Nothing excuses what we now know happened in the next few weeks, but for the majority of us out here who don't have a lot of interaction with the police these little peeks into how they conduct their daily activities are enlightening. It's sad to see a family ruined, but when you see things like it it become clear how many cops are just pricks on power trips.
Comment by Good Grief
November 12, 2009
whatever.
I'm really shocked and saddened by the folks who see this as *intimidation*. I DID watch the video, and the officers were very pleasant to Monfort when *he* was being difficult. I'm always appalled at the people (who might otherwise be functional, contributing members of normal society) who act like petulant teenagers when they encounter the police because of some idiotic prejudice against an entire profession. Sure, you may not like the po-po, but common courtesy isn't hard, even if you're in a situation that you don't like. When Monfort declined to give the officer his phone number, the officer was *confirming* that in a question, not challenging him. It seems pretty clear to me.

Police officers are people just like the rest of us. There are good ones and there are bad ones, and they have good days and bad days. They are held to a much higher standard of conduct than most of us, and subject to much more strenuous scrutiny because of it. This is a good thing, but it doesn't mean that the peanut gallery gets to whine and complain about an officer's *actually very decent* conduct when they've never been in (and will never be in) his shoes. I considered, many years ago, entering sworn law enforcement, but I knew that I'd be afraid of someone pulling a gun on me every time I did a traffic stop. Officer Brenton's death proves that to be a possibility. If you've never gone to work every day with the knowledge that you have a much higher likelihood than most of being shot at or attacked, simply for trying to do the right thing, you have no right to judge.
Comment by raincitysun
November 12, 2009
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