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Seattle City Council Vote Monday on Detached Accessory Dwelling Units (DADU's)
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Comment by
ktkeller
October 31, 2009
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Tom Carr vs Pete Holmes
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GO PETE HOLMES! THE BEST MAN FOR CITY ATTORNEY; THE BEST MAN FOR SEATTLE.
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#1 mariner fan
October 31, 2009
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What I wrote to City Council
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You will be voting on Monday on C.B. 116528 Permitting backyard cottages in all single-family zones: This legislation would permit detached accessory dwelling units, often referred to as backyard cottages, in all-single-family zones while also making other changes concerning authorization and use of these units. Committee recommends a PASS as amended.
I am not an expert on this legislation, although I have followed the DADU process with some interest. I received the message below from Marty Liebowitiz, a local builder whom I've known for more than a decade. In brief, if Marty Leibowitiz thinks this ordinance needs further work, YOU SHOULD ALSO! I met Marty during the 1990's Neighborhood Planning process and was impressed with his well-rounded care for both his profession and for the neighborhood. He has continued to work on neighborhood planning committees and to offer us advice when requested. The projects he builds clearly demonstrate his concerns for both his residents and the surrounding neighborhood. In summary: I urge you to give this ordinance careful thought and analysis before approving it. Many thanks, Andrew Taylor ______________________________________________________________________ Andrew Taylor andrew_taylor@mac.com Chair, Miller Park Neighborhood Association 330 - 19th Ave E. (206) 323-5929 (home) Seattle WA 98112 (206) 667-4431 (work) http://home.jps.net/~tayles http://millerparkseattle.blogspot.com/ Hi Andrew- I’m not sure you’re following this DADU (Detached Accessory Dwelling Unit), thing but it comes up for a council vote next... read more ek. The ordinance as written is terrible allowing 2 story additional residences in rear yards of existing homes only 5 feet from rear and side property lines. While they may be good for the property on which they’re built, they potentially destroy the privacy of the backyards of their 5 adjacent neighbors. DADU’s are a cool idea, and if done well, they add to the Sustainability of the City. But, this particular ordinance is bad, done by kids who have no idea the chaos they will be causing across the City. Please trust me on this one and get the council to at least delay their vote until neighborhoods (yours, mine, etc) have a chance to comment. All the public outreach on this has been pitiful at best. They need to understand that the ordinance as written is bad, should not be brought to a council vote, and we all need to participate in making it something that’s good for OUR neighborhoods. Marty |
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Andrew Taylor
October 31, 2009
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Density is good.
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Why is density a good thing except where it would be added to existing single family zoned areas? I live in one of these eyesores. I have zero privacy. I agree, I would prefer to have a backyard sanctuary. However, since I don't live outside the urban growth boundary I have to accept that people are allowed to live in the city and make use of their property. I'm not that stingy. My neighbors (one foot away) just added windows into my tiny little courtyard. I'll try to plant a tree, bamboo, or something else that will grow evergreen in the sun-parched space. But I don't begrudge them making the best use of their property. DADU are good for Seattle. People have to live somewhere that doesn't cost 400k for a condo.
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Jefferson
November 01, 2009
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I agree that these are problematic....
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't ADU's require that at least one of the residences on the lot be owner-occupied to qualify for that designation? The reason I ask is I don't trust the city - and I'm a city employee - to keep track of that, which makes me nervous about these parcels becoming mini-slums if the wrong kind of person buys the lot. Absentee landlords are already a problem in the CD, this could potentially make it worse. It could also open up a whole can of worms regarding the utilities, and abuse of some of the rates we have established for low-income and seniors, which is something the mayor's office won't enforce to begin with.
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worker bee
November 01, 2009
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The view from your backyard
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Am I correct in concluding that the main objection everyone posting here has to DADU's is the threat of losing privacy in their backyard? Or the potential height of a 15 foot building? Because three sets of townhomes in a row have been built on the properties behind mine and my two adjacent neighbors, and we have been experiencing the issues you discussed: A tall wall of ugly across the back of our yard, less sun in our yard because of the giant shadow they cast in the afternoon, lack of privacy as everyone in all of the units can see into our yard, hearing other people's music and smelling other people's smells where for ten years we just had...a nice private backyard.
Yet everyone in the CD seems just delighted with these townhomes because they increase the property value, and when anyone objects they are shouted down as anti-density, anti-progress curmudgeons. What I'm saying is, DADU's will not be able to negatively impact my quality of life anywhere near as much as the townhomes have, but if I was allowed to build one in my backyard, the rent I'd earn might help cushion the impact of my ever-increasing property taxes. Are you saying it's good if some big developer makes a bundle off of building townhomes that ruin my backyard, but bad if I myself make a little extra money from my (already ruined) backyard? And No, I won't stop bitching about those townhomes until they go away (or I do). ps. KT, I have learned a lot from your posts and I hope you don't view this difference of opinion as an attack, it is great to have someone knowledgeable about land use posting. |
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Big developers Good, regular homeowners Bad?
November 01, 2009
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RE: The view from your backyard
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Maybe you shouldn't have bought a house in an L1, 2 or 3.
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Comment by
Max
November 01, 2009
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NIMBY's Onward
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The DADU, now known as the Backyard Cottage legislation has been in the works for 10+ years. This is not something that just came out of nowhere and to state and or imply otherwise is disingenuous on the part of Mr. Liebowitz. I have seen the issue covered in the Seattle Times, and then still functioning Seattle P.I., as well as in small neighborhood newspapers, on blogs and in city mailings. There have been public meetings for anyone who actually cared to follow-up.
I would much rather see this legislation go into effect and see some of the city's future housing needs met by individual Single-Family Zoned property owners/residents versus mega-apartment building developers. The potential loss of tree canopy is an issue with the construction of a DADU, but no more likely to produce a loss than if a person were to build a garage in their backyard or an addition to their house for additional space or to implement an ADU. In the case of Mr. Liebowitz, his Madrona Company's townhome projects certainly have scraped plenty of tree's off of his development sites. Loss of the Urban Tree canopy across the city would be best met if every physically capable person would volunteer ONE day a year in one of the many, many ivy and blackberry choked City Parks or Unimproved Rights-Of-Way. People who own a Single Family house could also plant an appropriate tree in their Single Family home's yard to mitigate any potential loss from the construction of a nearby DADU. |
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Chuffy
November 01, 2009
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Good Discussion
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Ironically, I support DADUs. In concept. While they may have been discussed for years, and exist in reality historically, this ordinance is pretty flawed, did not necessarily have the working hours necessary spent on it, and is so one-size-fits-all to render it something that will make people all over town pretty unhappy living with the consequences. Like has been said, it's about 70% there. I am not even sure that they did a proper assessment of the experiences in SE that recognized the contexts in which DADUs were built under the previous program. What is wrong with waiting until spring? Buildings last for 30-?? years. Council has huge budget issues to deal with now. Is there a council member who is hot to build one right now?
While Marty's concerns seem to focus on the single family areas that are not the focus of new building, expressing important concerns about fit regarding lot size and heights, my concerns are that exactly we need even an enhanced version of this kind of thing inside Urban Villages or other areas designated for development and abutting Multi Family zones. I prefer ADUs for energy efficiency, but can see some areas supporting both, especially in the CD areas where there is a legacy of Single Family zoning backed up to Mutlifamily zoning and development. That is using a combination of locational and context based concepts and is missing here. Some neighborhoods, like the Single Family non Urban Village neighborhood near me that is full of large lots, and a ton of historic duplexes, DADUs and ADUs, would be amenable to an overlay allowing these -... read more with better setbacks. That is both contextual and having a regard for neighborhood based planning. I think they should have limited it to Urban Villages and made it an 'option' that neighborhoods could adopt as part of their Neighborhood Planning. Many cities do that kind of thing, offering a cafeteria of options to neighborhoods. We have an antiquated code that offers little precision in having the zoning codes meet what should be planned for on the ground. But, council PLUNC did not amend this ordinance with any sense of locational criteria. Bottom line for me is, they should hold off and vote no now on this particular ordinance. The link to the public hearing is here. Notably, many just talk about how they want to build one for themselves. How many of those actually read the ordinance and looked at how it would be implemented? Or, is agreement with the concept and the desire of a few individuals to build one, enough? http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=2280940 Generally you can see discussion by looking at the agendas here: http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/watchVideos.asp?program apologies for this really dry stuff. Honestly, today I am pretty wrapped up with horror at the murder of one of our police officers, and thinking about his family... |
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Comment by
ktkeller
November 01, 2009
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SF?MF?WTF
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Townhouses and DADUs are different things - townhouses add units in Multi-family (MF) zones. DADUs if passed would add a unit in Single-family (SF) zones.
There are approximately 100,000 SF lots citywide, though not all have enough buildable space for a DADU, though they could accommodate an already possible ADU (attached dwelling unit, eg an apartment in a basement). There is a distinction for urban villages in the legislation - in urban villages they would not need to add a parking spot. Sadly most people do not know that they have moved into MF zones - I sure had no idea when I bought - and my real estate agent sure didn't explain it to me. The big issue I believe is that most homeowners in SF zones don't have any idea this is happening. This is a citywide rezone that except for a few short newspaper stories is off the radar. Also - is there any concern about King County property taxes - since they tax at highest and best use, would SF lots be taxed higher because of the potential extra building? |
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Comment by
jackson place resident
November 01, 2009
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Yes to DADU's
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I am a resident in Judkins Park. We have seen vacant lots turned into town homes as well as homes being torn down and replaced with more town homes. I am personally excited to see this. I believe that density is the key to having a livable city.
The negative responses about this are so NIMBY and short sighted fear mongering. This is the largest city in Washington, This region will continue to grow this is a way to lessen the impact on the environment. What are the alternatives to less dense neighborhoods? Sprawl? Suburbs? More Houses in Seattle less in Kent! |
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Comment by
James lincoln
November 01, 2009
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RE: Yes to DADU's
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Fine, but the devil is in the details. If you think you are arguing with people who don't want density, then I am afraid you don't know what density is or who you are arguing with. How about a multi-generational family of 8 in 2500 square feet versus 8 people in six 1800 sq ft townhomes? Talking about buildings here.
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Comment by
ktkeller
November 01, 2009
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Another Yes to DADU's
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I have to agree with some of the earlier comments supporting the home-owner focused development rather than larger bottom line only developers. I find it hard to think that a wave of DADU's will sweep thru SF zoned neighborhoods wiping away privacy. Instead I think the DADU's will offer a chance for small grain growth and density. A home owner is much more likely to think about the quality of life in a neighborhood that they live in with their neighbors. If they don't follow the owner-occupied rule it should be easy enough for the neighbors to call and complain.
Also, a neighborhood or community if in four years from now, the evidence is overwhelming that the 10 or 20 DADU's and ADU's that have been built have ruined your neighborhood character and privacy, there is still a reasonable chance for reassessment. Lots filled with town homes is a different story. There seems to be no hope for feedback changing the look, feel, and character of the basic town home until a large pile of them are built. I also find the privacy argument flawed. It is the enclosure of the houses on the outside of the block which offer privacy for the inner block. A new structure does not necessarily decrease privacy. |
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Comment by
jake labarre
November 02, 2009
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Anyway, it needs work, and the issues can be resolved. But, this fast tracking is in none of our interests. Please email or call council members to ask them to vote no now and send it back to committee.